Our second podcast this week, this time I'm joined by Dave Mark as we go through our thoughts on WWDC.

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John and I get together every year for a special podcast during WWDC to talk about the announcements. Despite the distance between us, this year was no different. John and I talk about the Mac transition, iPadOS, iOS, macOS, and even the lack of any major tvOS announcement.

Dave and I look at Apple's Worldwide Developers Conference, which starts next week, albeit in a very different way than previous years. We also discuss the Hey app controversy that's happening right now.

Note: After this podcast was recorded Apple's Phil Schiller commented on this issue.

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I am really interested in Apple TV these days. I've been trying out all kinds of services and Apple TV Channels so that I can finally cut the cord. Dave and I talk about some of the challenges that remain.

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Dave and I reflect this week on the protests happening the U.S.